Improving quality of life in our communities

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Improving quality of life is a key aspect of our Ecological Transformation purpose. 

Listen in to this episode of 'Ask the Expert' where we discuss the impact of community initiatives on people in the local area. 

 

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Through The Veolia Environmental Trust, and initiatives like the Veolia Orchard, we are working to improve quality of life in the communities we serve

Join us in this episode of 'Ask the Expert', where Martyn Fuller is joined by Andrew Brown, Executive Director of The Veolia Environmental Trust and Rachel Jay, Head of Regional Communications to tell us more about this and share an insight into how we support and add value to the communities we work in. 

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Good afternoon and welcome to

 

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this episode of Ask the Expert.

 

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This time we're joined by two Veolia

experts to talk about how we are adding

 

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to value to the communities

beyond the ways

 

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you might normally expect.

 

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My name is Martyn Fuller,

 

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and when I'm not hosting this broadcast,

I'm the head of Marketing

 

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Responsible Business and Proposals here at

Veolia in the UK.

 

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Social value is a term we've all become

 

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a lot more familiar with in recent years.

 

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It refers to the positive value

businesses can create for the economy,

 

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the environment and society. At Veolia,

 

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this is really important to us.

 

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It's part

of our ecological transformation purpose

 

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and we support regional development

by creating jobs, supporting

 

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local economies and the services

we deliver in water, energy and waste.

 

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Improve the local and global environment.

 

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But we also do so much more.

 

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Some things that may surprise you,

 

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may inform you, may educate you,

and I hope today

 

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inspire you. Things from supporting

grassroots community projects to providing

 

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funding for large scale initiatives.

 

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And I'm joined

by a couple of Veolia experts today

 

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to tell us all more about this.

 

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One of our speakers is only the second

person to appear twice on Ask the Expert.

 

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Andrew Brown, executive director

of the Veolia Environmental Trust.

 

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It's almost a year to the day since Andrew

joined us to talk about the great work

 

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the Trust does.

 

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But today, he's going to give us an update

on what the trust has been working on,

 

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including the achievement

of a very exciting milestone.

 

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Joining Andrew is Rachel Jay.

 

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Rachel Jay,

our head of regional Communications.

 

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Rachel and her team support the

delivery of some fantastic initiatives

 

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that make a real difference right at

the heart of the communities we work in.

 

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I'm looking forward to hearing more

about some of these stories shortly.

 

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But first, Andrew and Rachel.

 

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Would you like to introduce yourselves

maybe? Andrew First.

 

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Yeah. Hi.

 

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Thanks.

 

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Martyn I'm Andrew Brown,

executive director at the Veolia

 

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Environmental Trust and very privileged

to be here for the second time.

 

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I feel like I should get

some kind of badge to go with that.

 

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Well, it's between you and Heather Foster.

 

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She's. And you know what she's like.

 

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Rachel, over to you.

 

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Hi there, everyone.

 

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I'm Rachel Jay.

 

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I'm Veolia’s

head of regional communications.

 

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So my role I look after all of our teams

across the country that work

 

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with our local authority

partners, delivering behaviour change,

 

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social value and education

through the communities that we serve.

 

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Welcome, Rachel. Are you up for the fight?

 

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Are you ready to appear

 

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and become a long time resident of the Ask

the Expert panel?

 

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I'd like to think that I could be Martyn.

 

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Could get there, couldn't we?

 

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Andrew, I will come to you first with

 

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a question and Rachel, I'll follow you shortly.

 

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Andrew, we've already talked about this

being your second appearance.

 

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Can you remind us about the Veolia

Environmental Trust, what it's all about,

 

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and the kind of projects it supports?

 

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Yeah, sure.

 

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So and Veolia Environmental

Trust is a registered charity,

 

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and we were established over

25 years ago now.

 

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And our main purpose is to help.

 

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Veolia distribute charitable

 

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funding through something

called the Landfill Communities Fund,

 

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and that's a UK government

tax credit scheme that allows

 

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landfill operators to give some of the tax

revenues that they collect

 

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directly to community

and environmental projects in England.

 

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So we're one of the largest funders

in the Landfill

 

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Communities Fund, awarding around

£5 million each year,

 

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and that's the projects that are within

ten miles of a Veolia landfill site.

 

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And we fund everything from

 

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playgrounds to nature reserves

 

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and from community centres to local parks.

 

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And I think one interesting thing

about the trust

 

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that I think I hinted at last time,

but it is now very much a reality,

 

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is that we recently reviewed our purpose

and our mission

 

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and we're now placing a much stronger

emphasis on projects

 

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that address the climate

and nature crises.

 

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So we're looking to fund projects

that benefit the local community,

 

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but also contribute

to tackling those global problems

 

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like climate change and biodiversity loss.

 

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That’s great.

 

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It's such a moving feast, isn't it?

 

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I'll just short message to anybody

watching anything

 

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that's shareable or link able will do so

in the comments following this podcast.

 

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So hopefully

you'll be able to pick it up there.

 

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And if you've got any questions

for our guests,

 

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please feel free

to add them to the comments.

 

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And if we have the opportunity,

we'll make sure we get an answer for you.

 

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Andrew Last year you told us about

 

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some of your stand standout projects

that the Trust has funded over the years.

 

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Are there any projects that you've awarded

funding to

 

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since then

that really struck a chord in your heart?

 

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Yeah, absolutely.

 

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I mean, it's really hard to to choose

favourites because I think you and I,

 

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since you and I last spoke Martyn

and we've made about a hundred

 

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more awards, but some of the standout ones

in the last year,

 

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I think the first one is a project

 

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in Lewes in East Sussex,

 

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and it's a project to return

 

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a cockshut stream to a more natural cause.

 

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So this is a this is a process

known colloquially as River

 

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Re wiggling, and you might have heard

it mentioned on the

 

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in various places

on Countryfile a while back and so on.

 

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But basically over the years lots of

 

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rivers have been

 

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straightened,

mainly for sort of agricultural purposes

 

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and that has lots of negative effects

for biodiversity and downstream flooding.

 

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So we've awarded £280,000

to the Railway Land

 

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Wildlife Trust, working in partnership

with Lewis District Council

 

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to recreate a more natural

 

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meandering course, of the cockshut stream,

 

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and that then creates natural pools

and areas of slow flowing water,

 

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which is really ideal for fish

and invertebrates to breed.

 

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And so it's a great, great,

exciting project, great for biodiversity

 

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and good climate change

credentials as well,

 

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and works

progressing really well on that project.

 

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And we think it's it's not going

to be very long at all before they

 

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break the banks of the existing stream and

let the water flow into its new course.

 

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So that's going to be a really

exciting moment.

 

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I think

 

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one other one to

 

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mention more of a community project

than than

 

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a sort of pure environmental one,

but with some really good

 

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environmental things thrown in.

 

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So this is Lostock

Park in Stretford in Manchester,

 

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and it's a collaboration

between Friends of Lostock Park

 

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and the One Trafford Partnership,

and that's a project to create

 

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a skatepark, woodland walking and running

trail and an outdoor gym.

 

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And the idea is to provide a safe

and inclusive space

 

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for local people to connect with

and enjoy the environment.

 

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And I think one nice feature

about this project,

 

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which is why it's on my list of ones

I really favour,

 

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The Woodland

Trail is going to be created

 

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by an environmental volunteer

led organisation called the Conservation

 

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Volunteers,

or you might in the TCV for short.

 

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And what they do is create

or care for community green spaces.

 

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And so they've been involved with loads

 

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of other excellent projects

that we've funded over the years.

 

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So I'm really looking forward to

when seeing the finished results.

 

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And this one.

 

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Fabulous River Re wiggling is not a

phrase I thought I would hear

 

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but fabulous.

 

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You know, it always amazes me

that the breadth of the projects

 

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and the impacts

that it has, they’re real impacts.

 

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Rachel, I want to come to you now.

 

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I know there have been some real standout

moments

 

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for you, too, from the projects

you've supported over the past year.

 

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Can you tell us a little bit

about some of those?

 

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Yeah, absolutely.

 

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So through Veolia’s sustainability fund,

we offer small grants,

 

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so it's up to £1,000

for community organisations

 

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that want to help

transform their local environment.

 

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We started our funding journey

 

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back in London in 2017

with a real focus on recycling projects.

 

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But in 2021 the Fund went National

 

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And we expanded our focus

to cover the wider sustainability agenda.

 

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Since then, we've

 

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since

2017, we've supported over 200 projects

 

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with over £200,000 in funding,

and we're growing that fund year on year.

 

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So we support all kinds of projects.

 

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You know, we'll look at anything

that fits with our criteria

 

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and with Veolia’s purpose,

 

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and we really encourage organisations

that want to apply to us to have a think

 

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about how they can build sustainability

and build that into their projects.

 

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So for example, you know,

we absolutely love a community garden,

 

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but we'd be much more likely

to fund that community garden

 

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if it's been designed using reused

or reclaimed materials,

 

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if perhaps the planting

has a focus on biodiversity

 

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or if it might be growing produce

that will be used

 

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to feed the local community

and then just to touch on a couple

 

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of recent standout projects from the year

that's been so one.

 

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The Warm Café is a lovely initiative done

in Southend on Sea

 

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Ice Saves food waste

 

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and the local supermarket offers it

to the local back to the local community,

 

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providing warm food and shelter

during the cold winter months.

 

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So we're not only looking

at the food waste agenda,

 

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they're also supporting some of the most

vulnerable members of the community.

 

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Another one, recycled robots.

 

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So working with children

from Kingston in South London to transform

 

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waste into moving robots, which as you can

imagine, the children absolutely love.

 

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But it's not

 

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only encouraging their creativity

and it's getting them to think differently

 

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about materials and about waste

and how they use those products

 

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and really sparking their imaginations

and inspiring them to become

 

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perhaps the environmentalists of the future,

which is what we really need.

 

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But if I may, Martyn,

I'll touch on one last project

 

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that I really want to mention.

 

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We've been lucky enough

to work with schools

 

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across the country in 2022

to launch the Veolia Orchard.

 

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Now, what you might not know,

 

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listening out there is actually only takes

five fruit trees to make an orchard

 

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orchard and our projects offer schools

the chance to have their very own orchard

 

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where children can learn

about the planting,

 

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caring for the trees,

as well as the biodiversity

 

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and the food source

that those trees create.

 

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And it has been staggeringly popular,

especially with urban schools.

 

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And the last year we gave away

500 trees to 100 schools and it's a living

 

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network of trees all making a difference

for communities and for our planet.

 

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Rachel, thank you for sharing the.

 

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The recycled robots were specifically

thank you for talking about Veolia Orchard

 

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Actually is an a project many of us are

absolutely thrilled to be connected with.

 

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And not just that.

 

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It's some of the photos we've seen

from the schools and the feedback

 

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from the schools have been amazing

and it really does make a difference.

 

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And I think it really highlights to me

the difference that can be made

 

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with a small amount of money donated

and a large amount of money donated.

 

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And it's not really the money,

it's the attention to detail and the care

 

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and the working in that community

that's so important.

 

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But what's next for projects

like The Orchard?

 

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We're going to go even bigger this year.

 

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I think. You know, we are.

 

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Martyn! Both The Orchard

and the Sustainability Fund are

 

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currently open for applications,

And this year we've got twice

 

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the amount of trees available to give away

and over £100,000 in community funding.

 

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So it's a really great opportunity to get

involved wherever you are in the country.

 

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So okay, yeah, that's that's bigger.

 

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Speaking of bigger than Andrew,

You know, game on.

 

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You mentioned

the trust has reached a new milestone

 

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for the amount of funding

that's been awarded.

 

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What's been the impact of the awarding

this, this,

 

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how much funding over this year.

 

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Yeah, that's right, Yeah.

 

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So in March

we passed the milestone of having awarded

 

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more than £100 million

since we were founded in 1997.

 

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Yeah. It was one of those pinch yourself.

 

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Yeah. A moment.

 

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So, you know, we're in the business

of kind of giving away money

 

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to, to projects, but even for us, that

that feels like a huge thing.

 

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And the impact has been really wide.

 

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You know, as I mentioned earlier,

 

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there are lots of different types

of projects that we fund.

 

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So I had a little bit of a trawl

back through the figures

 

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and found, you know, we funded

 

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nearly 900 community centres

 

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to the tune of nearly £33 million, 334

 

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play areas,

360 nature reserves, 260 sports

 

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facilities, 180 parks,

50 woodlands, 35 community gardens.

 

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And when you think of all of those spread

across the country,

 

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that that's a huge number of communities

who have their quality of life

 

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and wellbeing improved through and through

the funding that we've given out.

 

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And I think many of those grants

that we made, they're just small grants.

 

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And, you know, like you and Rachel

were both saying, small grants

 

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are really important to communities

and our first award

 

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was just £4,000 to Ancells Farm Nature

Reserve on the South Downs.

 

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And but we also know

that the larger grants

 

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and that we've made over the years

can can be massively transformative, too.

 

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So I think I mentioned to you last time

the nearly 750,000 that we awarded

 

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to Lancashire Wildlife

Trust for the Winmalee and Astley

 

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Moss projects in Manchester

and where they preserved vital peatlands

 

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and helped re-establish the endangered

Manchester Argus butterfly.

 

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So there's lots of impacts like that.

 

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And then there's more,

some more of the more tangible things.

 

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And so in our in 2021, 22

and our figures show that we helped

 

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create 49 jobs,

as well as sustaining another 190 jobs.

 

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And our funding resulted in an additional

 

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1950 adults

 

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and 730 young people

volunteering in that community.

 

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So since a lot going on from

just small amounts

 

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of funding in those communities.

 

00:15:04:23 - 00:15:06:00

Thanks, Andrew.

 

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It again,

it's it's one of these conversations

 

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and the more I get into these

and these conversations

 

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with the pair of you,

we often do talk about this stuff.

 

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It just changes my

 

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my perspective of what we do

and the impact

 

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we have an impact

other businesses could have

 

00:15:26:11 - 00:15:29:00

it just what they can achieve,

 

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not because they are great

amounts of funding, not with,

 

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you know, massive amounts,

but just paying that

 

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little bit of attention

and being part of the community.

 

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Why do you two both think that projects

like The Orchard

 

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and the types of initiatives

that are funded by the Sustainability Fund

 

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and the Veolia environmental Trust

are so important to local communities?

 

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Rachel

 

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Well, for me, Martyn,

I think it's about empowering communities

 

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to take action

to make the change that they want to see.

 

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It's not for Veolia to dictate

what projects people should take

 

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on, but we've got funds,

we've got equipment.

 

00:16:04:22 - 00:16:06:02

We've got skills.

 

00:16:06:02 - 00:16:09:01

We've got person power so we can really

help those projects to thrive.

 

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And what we see is that when communities

 

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take ownership of something

for themselves, it's lasting.

 

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So that orchard, that garden,

that community cafe will be cherished

 

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for years to come.

 

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And that builds a huge amount of pride.

 

00:16:22:11 - 00:16:24:04

Andrew, what do you think?

 

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Yeah, I agree totally with Rachel on that.

 

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And I would add as well

 

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know, there used to be this perception

that community projects

 

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and environment environmental projects

were two separate things.

 

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But I think now that climate change

is on our doorstep,

 

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we know that you can't improve

health, prosperity

 

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and wellbeing in communities

without tackling climate change.

 

00:16:47:08 - 00:16:49:15

And similarly,

you can't take climate action

 

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without bringing communities with you.

 

00:16:52:01 - 00:16:55:05

So the funding like ours

and the Sustainability Fund

 

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and the Veolia Orchard,

I think they all normalise

 

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the idea that community and environment

are the same thing.

 

00:17:02:21 - 00:17:06:20

And I think that's that's good for

communities and an environment all around.

 

00:17:08:06 - 00:17:09:00

Thanks, Andrew.

 

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That reminds me of part of our purpose

about the indivisible whole

 

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and that we don't take

 

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any of our business decisions

just purely based on one aspect.

 

00:17:19:12 - 00:17:23:13

That all has to be brought together,

whether that's the community,

 

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society, employees, the environment,

our shareholders, our customers.

 

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I've got one more question for you both,

 

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and it's an obvious one

that we should certainly answer.

 

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How do customers and communities

get involved?

 

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Rachel So we are open for applications

 

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now for both the Sustainability Fund

and Veolia orchard.

 

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So you can go to Veolia.co.uk

forward slash communities

 

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to find out about both of those projects

and to apply.

 

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And you know, if you're listening out

there, we're all part of a community.

 

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Please feel free to pass it on.

 

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We really look forward

to receiving your applications.

 

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And Andrew, what about the trust?

 

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Yes. So our next funding round

will be opening on the 31st of August

 

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with an application

deadline of 5th of October, and

 

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we then go on to make awards in December.

 

00:18:14:15 - 00:18:16:23

If you go to VeoliaTrust.org,

 

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you can find out

more and apply for funding.

 

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I am also pleased to say that

we're bringing our funding

 

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to a new area this round,

and that's to Skelmersdale in Lancashire.

 

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So if you live in that area,

 

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keep an eye out for more information

in the local press over the coming days.

 

00:18:35:05 - 00:18:36:05

That’s fantastic.

 

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We've had a great question, from

 

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and I hope I'm going to pronounce

this right, Huzefa,

 

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who's asked

whether Veolia invests in their employees

 

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to bring awareness in waste management

and recycling in terms of sustainability.

 

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Rachel, how would you answer that?

 

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Well.

 

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I don't think you can work at Veolia

 

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without gaining some awareness of waste

and recycling.

 

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It's,

you know, it's so integral to what we do.

 

00:19:02:01 - 00:19:04:23

But having said that,

you know, education is really important.

 

00:19:04:23 - 00:19:07:05

And from my point of view,

 

00:19:07:05 - 00:19:09:03

you know,

as someone who works in the business,

 

00:19:09:03 - 00:19:11:10

I think it's something

that the business really recognises.

 

00:19:11:10 - 00:19:15:06

We've got some great training options that

people can go for at different levels.

 

00:19:15:06 - 00:19:18:11

And, you know, education

is something that I see, you know,

 

00:19:18:12 - 00:19:21:06

going through our operations

at every level.

 

00:19:22:05 - 00:19:23:03

I think you're right.

 

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It is one of those things.

 

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I think perhaps we even

maybe take it for granted sometimes.

 

00:19:27:22 - 00:19:31:20

Being surrounded by water, energy and waste

 

00:19:31:20 - 00:19:35:09

and our whole of d'etre is about

 

00:19:35:20 - 00:19:39:24

how to do do the right things with these

materials preserve them and protect them,

 

00:19:40:24 - 00:19:42:01

provide access to them.

 

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So it's it's there. But.

Thanks for your question.

 

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It's something that we have.

 

00:19:46:00 - 00:19:49:02

Andrew, would you want to add anything

to that in terms of how

 

00:19:49:02 - 00:19:52:11

the trust and Veolia work closely?

 

00:19:52:11 - 00:19:54:15

Yeah, well,

I was just going to mention actually that

 

00:19:55:20 - 00:19:58:02

just this morning I was doing

 

00:19:58:14 - 00:20:01:20

one of Veolia’s

training modules on biodiversity.

 

00:20:02:24 - 00:20:06:15

And yeah,

and the thing that struck me about that

 

00:20:06:15 - 00:20:11:22

is that there was a really clear link

between Veolia’s operations

 

00:20:12:09 - 00:20:15:19

and the,

the cause and effect with biodiversity

 

00:20:15:19 - 00:20:19:13

so that, you know, that kind of training

is all across the organisation.

 

00:20:19:13 - 00:20:23:07

So I was really pleased to see that

everyone is getting that knowledge

 

00:20:23:07 - 00:20:25:15

that what they do on the ground at Veolia

 

00:20:27:05 - 00:20:30:14

can either have a positive or

environmental impact and they're all part

 

00:20:30:18 - 00:20:34:10

of making sure that excuse me,

making sure that impact is positive.

 

00:20:35:08 - 00:20:36:13

Thanks, Andrew.

 

00:20:36:19 - 00:20:39:21

The Huzefa, if I'm pronouncing it

correctly, please forgive me if I'm not.

 

00:20:40:01 - 00:20:41:21

I hope that answers your question.

 

00:20:41:21 - 00:20:45:04

Well, Andrew, Rachel,

our time together is coming to an end.

 

00:20:45:04 - 00:20:47:17

So thank you both for your time.

 

00:20:47:17 - 00:20:51:09

It's been great hearing more about

some of these really worthwhile projects.

 

00:20:51:24 - 00:20:55:12

From recycled robots to river re wriggling.

 

00:20:57:14 - 00:20:58:21

It's been amazing.

 

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We're going to have links

to the comment section for this

 

00:21:01:16 - 00:21:04:18

to find out more

and include more information

 

00:21:04:18 - 00:21:08:00

on getting involved with the Veolia

Orchard, the Sustainability

 

00:21:08:00 - 00:21:10:09

Fund, and the Environmental Trust.

 

00:21:11:07 - 00:21:14:22

Our next episode is on the 1st of August

at 11 a.m.

 

00:21:15:07 - 00:21:19:14

and I'm going to be joined by Craig Wilson

from our industrial site services team.

 

00:21:20:13 - 00:21:22:19

Craig's going to be talking to us

about some of the technology

 

00:21:22:19 - 00:21:25:05

and the innovations

that are helping our industrial customers

 

00:21:25:08 - 00:21:28:20

improve efficiency,

safety and productivity.

 

00:21:29:10 - 00:21:32:18

You can listen in and you can listen back

to any of our previous

 

00:21:32:18 - 00:21:36:03

episodes

of Ask the Expert on our podcast page,

 

00:21:36:15 - 00:21:39:00

Veolia.co.uk forward slash

 

00:21:39:11 - 00:21:41:23

podcast hyphen hub. For now

 

00:21:42:06 - 00:21:43:18

Thank you for your attention.

 

00:21:43:18 - 00:21:45:21

Thank you, Andrew. And thank you, Rachel.

 

00:21:45:24 - 00:21:47:23

Goodbye, everybody. Thanks everyone.

 

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